Female Friendship & Mental Health | When Your Bestie Is Your Lifeline

0:00 Jennifer: Hey there, I'm Jennifer. And I'm Jackie. Welcome to Slightly Unsupervised. We're best friends, business partners, and the chaos behind bestimony, a ceremony we created to celebrate the kind of soulmates who don't come with a marriage license.

0:10 Jackie: This podcast is all about friendship. The deep stuff, the messy stuff, and the laughs until you snort stuff.

0:15 Jennifer: So whether you're driving, folding laundry, hiding in your carfist in peace and quiet.

0:19 Jackie: We're so glad you're here. Let's get slightly unsupervised. Okay, today, friendship and mental health. Sometimes your best friend is the lifeline. How women help each other stay strong without becoming therapists. Today's conversation is one that's close to our hearts because every woman goes through seasons where life feels heavier than usual. Sometimes it's anxiety, sometimes it's grief, sometimes burnout, sometimes depression. Sometimes it's simply carrying too much for too long. And one of the greatest gifts women can give each other is a safe place to be honest.

0:47 Jackie: But there's also an important balance. Your best friend can be your biggest supporter, your greatest encourager, and your safest place to land. Without feeling like she has to carry our your entire world alone. Today is today we're talking about how friendship protects our mental health, how to recognize when someone needs more help than we can give, and how we can love each other well through life's hardest seasons. Yeah.

1:09 Jennifer: So mental health, such a big point of discussion these days amongst everyone, really. Wasn't ever really discussed when we were kids. But mental health for our generation in particular, which is the generation X, is that we we don't really, we don't have a vocabulary. It wasn't something that we really discussed. Um, I'm sure that there's a lot more discussion around it now. There's a lot more words to use, there's a lot more understanding of it. And back in the day, we just I don't know what we did, Jack.

1:40 Jennifer: When I was a kid, there was probably a lot of times I had anxiety and burnout and too much was going on, or maybe we seemed depressed at times. And I don't know if we ever learned to communicate that to each other. Do you ever recall? No. Not at all. Not at all. We just went to school and maybe somebody was like, You're moody today. That was probably a word that Oh, that was very much used. Can you imagine when you're in our generation when you went to school and you weren't in a chipper mood, then everybody just called you moody?

2:10 Jennifer: And it was like that'd be very cruel now to be like, Well, you're just moody. That's not moody. I have emotional problems and I'm having things going on inside of my head that I don't know how to decipher.

2:20 Jackie: It's and I remember going home at times and crying and not saying anything to anybody. Just just just just to cry.

2:28 Jennifer: Yeah.

2:28 Jackie: Because you were not feeling and what you just didn't really tell anybody, you just did that.

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2:33 Jackie: I remember I was big for throwing my phone. Your phone off the wall? No, that's when we had the um cordless the cordless phones. Remember the ones that you could walk kind of walk around with when I got one of those. But I remember my dad would come down like one time he came down, he's like, did you just throw that phone? But it was like, Yeah, just getting upset, but I wouldn't tell anybody. But my parents knew, but they wouldn't do anything either. They just take my phone away.

3:02 Jennifer: There's a moody down there. That one's gonna moody down there. Take your phone away.

3:05 Jackie: So But it wasn't like, oh, let's deal with this. What's wrong? You know, they'd see me crying, but it wouldn't be like, oh, let's let's take care of this. No. Right. It was just like, oh, you're just being having a you know temper a tantrum.

3:18 Jennifer: Yeah. We both said it. That's the parental that's the parental guidance we got when we were children. You're just throwing a temper tantrum. So, anyways, all I'm saying is that it's a new concept, it's a new dialogue, it's a new thing to be able to talk about these things. So now that we have that in our world, now that people are talking about it, it's it's good to say. But let me ask you this, Jackie. How do you say I'm struggling? What are the words that you kind of use? I know that when I'm not on my game, I'm just like, I'm tired today.

3:45 Jackie: Like that's tired's one I always use. Yeah. Because it usually is. I'm tired.

3:50 Jennifer: Yeah. And then you just like want everybody to kind of leave you alone. It's not it's a combination of maybe all those things, but the words that come out of my mouth is usually I'm just tired. I'm tired.

4:00 Jackie: Tired, I'm busy.

4:01 Jennifer: Yeah.

4:01 Jackie: Like or like what saying and like overwhelmed is true. That's a good one.

4:06 Jennifer: Yeah. Yeah, you could say that. I would I might say that. I'm like, I'm just overwhelmed right now. Like it's too much, too much going on. I probably wouldn't say I'm depressed. I probably wouldn't say that because it's not a word that I am used to feeling.

4:19 Jackie: Because then people kind of label you. Right. You don't want to be labeled. That's the thing that we don't like to be labeled, even though we that's something we should say.

4:30 unknown: Yeah.

4:30 Jennifer: Today I'm depressed. Like it should be a thing to be able to say, like, I don't know what tomorrow holds, but I can tell you today that I'm not all there or I'm not with it or I'm tired. You know, so I need to stay in bed and watch TV and get over it. Right. That would I would understand. If I called you and be like, I'm in bed, I'm not talking to anybody, I don't feel myself, I'll talk to you later. I totally understand where that comes from. It's day two. I'm like, are you okay? Then you're like starting to worry.

4:58 Jennifer: Yeah, no, I'm a smart worry. Yeah, that's when it clicks in my head, like, okay, I need to pay more attention to what's going on here. Because day one is just general stuff. Um, but yeah, I think if I was gonna say I'm struggling, what I'm really telling, what I'm saying really is I'm just tired. I'm overwhelmed. Life's just too heavy for me right now. So in that conversation, though, is that why do we feel like we need to hide that emotional pain?

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5:22 Jennifer: I think from our generation we just didn't talk about it and we don't have the words. I'm gonna venture to say that.

5:28 Jackie: To protect themselves from judgment, yeah, avoid being labeled, that we're too sensitive, prevent burdening others and loved ones.

5:35 Jennifer: Yeah.

5:36 Jackie: Because I do that. I'm definitely a example of that.

5:39 Jennifer: Yeah.

5:40 Jackie: Um, uh because I'll just be act like I'm superwoman, I can do it all. And I'm I'm learning now at well, I've learned, but I always come back out of it. I can still do it all. Right. You just can't. You gotta learn to say, I just can't. I yeah, you know what, people, I'm just like you. I can't do it all. Right.

5:59 Jennifer: You shouldn't have to because that's a that's a struggle to succeed at something that it's just not capable long term to do it. You can get stuff done in one day and you can get a lot of stuff done, but the continuing that on a day-to-day basis is where the problem lies, right? You can't just keep up with that all the time.

6:15 Jackie: It's a societal pressure to keep it all together and you can do it all.

6:20 Jennifer: Yeah, it's called I can kick ass one day and get it all done and be like, uh day two, I'm tired. It's the word, I'm tired. Now I've done whatever.

6:30 Jackie: Doing it every day is too much. Yeah.

6:33 Jennifer: And that's I think where friendship comes in to play a lot about that because we've had many discussions and and it was cute. I just want to bring this up because Jackie's husband was just here. He drove across the country, he came from California over to Missouri to see her parents and then down to Tennessee. So, but he uh he got a full like few days of our podcast, right? It's because he's a very busy man and he's a corporate guy and he doesn't have a ton of time for it, so he doesn't always listen to it.

6:57 Jennifer: But he was here, and of course, we all went to dinner. But one of the things he said that I thought was really interesting, he's like, guys should listen to your podcast. They know how their women think. Like he was an insight for him to hear us discuss all these things and to hear the perspective about because we do try to give a lot of what the guy thinks and what the girl thinks, even though we're not guys, we just you know, we've been around long enough to know the kind of how they think about things.

7:20 Jennifer: But he's like, husbands should be listening to your podcast because then they will understand more about how women think or how they feel and the difference between it. I thought that was an interesting point because I don't think you and I ever set out to give an example of that. But for him, for him, he's been listening to him and he's like gained some insight to it, which I thought was interesting.

7:42 Jackie: So um that's as if we as we watched a movie last night, and uh there was a sad part in it. And he looked at me, and so I've mentioned on this before, and he's like, Are you crying? I'm like, Yes. And he said, Okay, then it is sad. And he I'm like, Yes, because you heard that on the podcast. You're allowed to be sad.

8:00 Jennifer: Right. So Rick has really come a long way for learning about women by listening to our podcast. So we want to invite husbands as well to tune in to what best friends talk about and what they say about each other or what they're saying about their husbands. So, anyways, I just thought it was funny. But this podcast is about friendship and about how mental health um can help women. And I think one of the most simplest things that you can do as a best friend is to just simply show up. And I don't mean show up in a way, I'm coming over.

8:30 Jennifer: If you live close to each other, of course you can. But in in the world of Jackie and I, where we're you know miles apart, I just can't show up with Jackie's door. I'm cross-country, she's on the other side of it. Is these are the things that you can do. You can show up by checking in by answering the phone when they call, meaning that I'm on a heightened event right now. If Jackie's in a place where I feel like she needs more care, then when that phone rings, I'm not putting it off and being like, I'll call you back.

8:57 Jennifer: I'm picking that phone up to go, hey, are you okay? What's going on?

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9:00 Jennifer: Check in and text, hey, are you okay? What's going on? How's your day? Um, and just to be there. You know, there's a lot of other things you could do. You can bring them dinner, you can go invite them to lunch, you can get them out of their spot. We get into our heads and we get into a really negative place. And sometimes the best thing to do is to pull them out of their environment and put them into another environment and then just talk about something completely different that gets them out of their head.

9:25 Jennifer: Uh do you agree with that, Jackie? Like that's a huge thing for women to do with other women. Like, definitely. Let's talk about something. Change the subject. Yes. Change the subject.

9:36 Jackie: Somewhere else. How's those grandchildren? What are you doing?

9:39 Jennifer: Yeah.

9:39 Jackie: When was the last time you saw them? Oops, it's been a month. Sorry, never mind. Let's get to the next story.

9:45 unknown: I know.

9:46 Jennifer: Be careful what you're talking about, I guess. Yeah. Don't get them into a worse bomb, a worse situation. But it is to get them out of their head. And women are very good at it because we understand the headspace better as women than men do with women. Check in, be repetitive, do some things outside of the norm that sort of let somebody know they're not struggling by themselves, but that you are concerned. Good word, right? Concerned. I'm concerned. Are you okay? Yeah. Like you said, day one, you're in a bad mood.

10:15 Jennifer: I'll talk to you tomorrow. Let's see how tomorrow looks. If tomorrow I call you in your bad mood, now my concern is starting to come up. You know what I mean? So especially if you have a a rapport with somebody and that rapport isn't working and you're not engaging and they're not doing the things that you would normally do is a really good sign that somebody's struggling beyond something that is normal in the normal sense. So, anyways, but we're not therapists. Let's just get that out in the straight.

10:42 Jackie: Yeah. Don't try to save them. You're not, don't, don't try to tell them what to do. Just listen. Just listen. Encourage, be loving, support.

10:51 Jennifer: Yeah. And you know, there is a time though that I think that, and I have to work on this because you know me. I'm like, oh, I'll fix it. What's the problem? I'll fix it. So everybody has a different way of handling things. And mine is to fix. I'm a fixer. I was in management forever. Tell me the problem, I'll fix it. So it's an ongoing process. I have to let go of some of that because I can't fix everything. And um, it's not really my job to do it, but you get into that, you can get into that mindset, you know, just listening.

11:19 Jennifer: I don't know if you've ever done this, but somebody's got maybe a friend calls and she's on a rant. Just let them rant. And then they get done with the rant, and then you're like, okay, I don't even know if I'm 100% paying attention to the rant because the rant is going on. It's repetitive, right? It's the same, talking about the same thing.

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11:34 Jennifer: Actually, that just happened to me. I'm I'm gonna actually give you an example of this because um the guy that I work with at work, he was on a rant the other day and he was complaining of her. And I was like, Okay, and I just let him rant and he followed me around like chapel ranting. I can see it. I'm like cleaning the window, you know, fixing the chairs and doing the curtains, and he's just behind me ranting the whole time. You're right, you're right. Yeah, absolutely. I see that.

11:59 Jackie: We can feel better, right?

12:01 Jennifer: And then, you know, some customer comes in, we're like, okay, back to our normal lives, end it, right? You got your rant, now we're ending now, we're changing our environment. Now we go back to a different environment, so that by the time that that's done, at the end of the day, he's like, Thanks for listening. And I'm like, sure, no problem. I'm not sure I 100% even listened to all of it because it was repetitive, right? It's like, because the point, the trigger point always comes up, and the trigger point keeps coming up.

12:24 Jennifer: That's the part of it that is helpful because what he got out of his system was me listening to him, even though I was not fully engaged in it. I was still listening and I was, you know, encouraging him by uh-as and yeah, I see that. And so he at the end of the day thanked me for letting him vent. I was like, sure, that's not a problem. Next time you need to vent. No, he's like, I can't call my parents because my parents will be judging. I'm like, sure, understand that too.

12:51 Jackie: You're like, just follow me around like a chapel, I'm good.

12:55 Jennifer: So, anyways, it relates to friendship too, is uh be there for somebody that sometimes to do that. And you know, it's more powerful than you think, and it's more useful to somebody's psyche to let them have a space where they feel comfortable venting. I think that's the hardest part, Jackie. We talked about that about being judged when you're having a bad day, is the finding the somebody that will let you be that and not judge you, right? Like they're like, uh-huh, I get it. Like, and that really just kind of understands you enough that says you don't have to sugarcoat this, so just say it, whatever it is.

13:33 Jennifer: And to have a friend that you can do that with is such a so important for your mental health.

13:38 Jackie: And not not get negative feedback, you know. Right. It's nice, exactly. Especially in a mental health supports you, yeah.

13:44 Jennifer: Yeah, especially in mental health, is that a lot of it is related to your environment around you all the time, right? So sometimes those people in that environment, you can't talk to them because the environment is the problem to some degree. Something's going on in the environment, which is your family, your closeness, your husband, whatever. And that environment now has got you're complain about that environment, and you can't go to the environment and be like, I have a problem with you. You don't generally do that, right?

14:11 Jennifer: You wanna you might go to somebody and be like, Am I right? Does that sound like that's normal? You know, figure out if there's some sort of connection of you thinking that it's bigger than it was, then actually just saying, Hey, does that sound right to you? Or whatever. Whatever those things are, that's what friendship I think brings to this saying is an outside perspective without judgment. That is the one of the main jobs you have in life. Listen without judgment and just be there. Let somebody vent, let somebody have some time, and you know, let them follow you around the chapel complaining the entire time.

14:47 Jennifer: And then when it's time for us to get with the customer, there, and then we put our smiley faces on and we go back and change the environment. So it's a good, it's a good analogy, I think. That the there is a time though, I think that everybody needs to know is that there is a time when you will maybe uh encourage them to get some more professional help.

15:06 Jackie: And day three, hey, you might want to be like, what is going on? You know, right. Maybe you should seek some, you know, a doctor. You know, there might be some other issues, maybe some therapy or some counseling, or you know, just get deeper into it.

15:21 Jennifer: And know and know the people around your best friend and know who you should seek some opinions outside of opinions about, right?

15:29 Jackie: So like a husband or another friend, or yeah, definitely.

15:33 Jennifer: Yeah, like I'll just bring you up as an instance because I think it's important to give sort of an example on that, is that Jackie's first husband and I were were not friends. I was not a fan. Second husband and love him, he's sweet. But Jackie's in a if Jackie had a mental health process problem when she was with first husband, I would not seek the first husband's advice because I would not feel comfortable, I would not feel safe in that environment, right? So there would probably be if Jackie was having an issue, I'd probably try to venture into her brothers or sisters somewhere where I felt like the safety was there versus the environment she was in.

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16:06 Jackie: Because he'd be trying to put me in a straitjacket and a money bin so they'd never see me.

16:10 Jennifer: Yeah. I'd be more like in a defensive position. Like, what are we, what are you gonna do to her? I'd be like, let me text and be like, hey, are we talking to her? What are you thinking here? So know her environment, know her people, know the things going on around her. That's so vital and so important. Don't put her in a worse position than she is. Like, sometimes the environment, as I have said, can be the problem.

16:31 Jackie: So with you, it'd probably be your husband or your or like uh probably your son that lives closer to you, Drew.

16:38 Jennifer: Right. Be like, yeah, I'm okay. Or a little world. I'm a little worried about her. That's what I would probably say. I'm talking to her, I'm a little worried about her.

16:44 Jackie: You if she's a little overwhelmed, I think she's got a lot going on, and I know she likes it that way, but this may be the this may be the Titanic. She may be going-verknown her to be in bed for two days, ever. Something's up. Even when she broke her hand, she was not in bed.

17:01 Jennifer: No. I had to get my surgery, so I need to be up and running around trying to find a surgeon. So again, know the person, know the environment, and make sure that the environment when you're seeking or encouraging help is that you're seeking the right person. And certainly professional help is always good. Get a counselor, get somebody to talk to, you need to work some of the through this. Some of the stuff we can't help. You gotta unpack it. You gotta unpack it correctly, and you gotta repack it in a way that you can live with it.

17:27 Jennifer: So it isn't always obvious. If you have a best friend, you know, you know the conversation, you know the way it goes, you know the way it usually resides. When that when that feels off too many days in a row, that's when I think it's a good, good, uh, good indication you got something going on there. So help them.

17:43 Jackie: So do you have any other points you want to add to that? No, just that people know that getting help isn't a weakness and it's wisdom and it's a good thing.

17:51 Jennifer: Sometimes you have stuff you wanna that you don't want to share, and you need to pack unpack it somewhere where that's okay too, right? So uh, but you know, take care of yourselves too, y'all. When you have this going on, you gotta make sure that you keep some healthy boundaries too, that you can't absorb every crisis a person has. You can't join in. I always this is my analogy, I use it all the time with my friends. It's like the crises has happened. You either it's a roller coaster in front of you.

18:20 Jennifer: I always think of the roller coaster at Magic Mountain for some reason. And you either get on the roller coaster and you're gonna go and you're gonna just zip around, and then you're gonna end up back at the same spot, and then you get off the roller coaster. So you either get on and join the crises and roll and go through every emotion that you could possibly do, or you can just be patient and wait for the thing to end and then deal with what the cr end of it is, what the resolution is, because you can't join every crisis that you've been invited to because you will wear yourself out.

18:51 Jennifer: You cannot possibly do that. So as you get older, too, wisdom gets on into your head a little bit, don't you think, Jackie? About how it's a crisis, it's gonna resolve itself. You don't have any real power to change the resolution. You just have to wait for it to sort itself out and then deal with it. Like you don't have to go on this roller coaster ride every single time.

19:13 Jackie: No, no, just they know as long as they know that you're there for them.

19:17 Jennifer: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

19:19 Jackie: And they should, yeah.

19:20 Jennifer: And encourage them not to take everything as a real crisis every time. Decipher between what a real crisis is and an emotional crisis. As you're younger, we jumped on every bandwagon. Everything was a crisis. Oh my god, did you hear what so-and-so said? If not, so and so, call in, we're all chatting with each other. It's a big old thing, and then, you know, ten years later, nobody even remembers the crises. I don't remember what happened. So, anyways, these are ways you can help each other. Check in constantly, not just during the crises.

19:47 Jennifer: You need to you need to get a gauge on their mental health when they're not in a crises as well. Listen more than you speak, avoid trying to solve their every problem, encourage professional help without shame. Keep inviting them even if they decline, celebrate their small victories, and be patient.

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20:02 Jennifer: Healing isn't linear. So that is that. All right, Jack, let's go into Bessie Rapid questions. You start.

20:08 Jackie: Okay, why do women struggle asking for help?

20:10 Jennifer: Weakness, can't do it. I don't. We have so much societal pressure to do everything that when we cannot do it, it feels like we failed.

20:20 Jackie: Mm-hmm. Like I said, to protect themselves from judgment, avoid being labeled also as another too sensitive, and prevent burdening others and loved ones. Social pressure to hold it all together and care for others. Many women worry that sharing raw emotions will cause others to view them as weak.

20:38 Jennifer: Yeah.

20:38 Jackie: And that's very emotional, it's unstable.

20:43 Jennifer: We cannot be strong and we can't be emotional when we are emotional creatures. So it's unfair for us to have a man's attitude with a woman's perspective and then be judged as a man. Like you should be holding your shit together, shouldn't you? Like, no, I don't have all my shit together.

21:01 Jackie: Mm-hmm. Not all the time. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I mean, most of the time we can, but you know, sometimes it's not all perfect either. No.

21:08 Jennifer: Okay, Jack, what's the difference between listening and fixing?

21:12 Jackie: Listening means paying attention to and to understand how someone feels. Fixing means jumping in to give advice or solving the problem.

21:21 Jennifer: Yeah. So you need both sometimes, but mostly the listening more than fixing is in a lot of ways more comforting. I just called you and said, you know, I'm having an emotional day or whatever. You're like, again, use this analogy all the time. I'm tired, and your husband's like, get in bed, go to sleep, wake up, you'll feel better. And it's like, that's not what I'm saying. You know what I mean? So, like that's the good point about women to women is that we understand the difference between those.

21:48 Jennifer: So fixing isn't what you're looking for, it's really just looking for somebody to hear me out and understand how I feel. So I get that point.

21:57 Jackie: What makes someone emotionally safe?

21:59 Jennifer: The non judging. And listen. Really listen.

22:05 Jackie: Consistency and patience is what I put.

22:08 Jennifer: Also like when you're really talking and you're in an emotional or volatile place that you really feel like you're being heard. It doesn't always happen. Why how do you support someone without losing yourself?

22:22 Jackie: How do you support someone without losing yourself? Protect your own well-being. Being stable, calming presence rather than getting overwhelmed by their pain.

22:32 Jennifer: It's the same. Don't get on the roller coaster. Sometimes they're gonna jump on a roller coaster. You'll be like, I'll be here when this thing's over. Like we don't have to I'm not going on the ride with you. Like I'm on a coaster ride. So, you know, just really kind of supporting somebody being like, I'm standing right here, and when you're ready to talk about it in a way that we can fix something in order to get somewhere, I'm going to be there, but I cannot go on every tangent with you. Like when we were 20, tangents were very, very prevalent.

23:01 Jennifer: We had a lot of tangents, we went down a lot. We had the roller we were on the roller coaster all the time. I don't know if we ever got off the roller coaster.

23:08 Jackie: I know. I remember listening to you know, the younger kids, you'll get so over this wisdom. Wisdom comes with age. I'm telling you to just roll all my eyes. Like, oh my goodness.

23:20 Jennifer: This is not a problem. This is such an obvious big deal.

23:23 Jackie: I know. I don't even understand.

23:24 Jennifer: Okay, Jack, let's here's the last one. What's one thing every struggling woman needs to hear?

23:29 Jackie: Okay. You do not have to carry all of this alone, and it's okay to rest. This is what I feel. And I am here for you, no matter what the mess looks like.

23:39 unknown: Yeah.

23:39 Jackie: You are doing the best you can with what you have.

23:42 Jennifer: Those are good ones. Good ones. All right. I think one of the greatest gifts we can give another woman is permission to stop pretending she's okay. Not because we're gonna fix everything, but because nobody should carry life's heaviest moments alone. Friendship doesn't replace therapy, it doesn't replace doctors, it doesn't replace professional support. Friendship friendship reminds us that we're worth getting help. Sometimes the first step toward healing is simply hearing another woman say, I love you too much to let you carry this by yourself.

24:11 Jennifer: If this conversation made you think of your person, call her, text her, take her to coffee, and tell her she matters because some of life's greatest love stories don't come with a marriage license.

24:21 Jackie: If you enjoyed today's episode, we'd be so grateful if you'd subscribe, leave us a review, and share it with your ride or die best friend.

24:27 Jennifer: Want to see some of these incredible friendships we've celebrated?

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24:31 Jennifer: Visit our Best Amone YouTube channel where women from all over the country share their stories of the friendship that changed their lives.

24:38 Jackie: And if one day you'd like to celebrate your own friendship, we'd love to welcome you to Nashville.

24:42 Jennifer: Until next time, keep showing up, keep cheering each other on, and keep celebrating the women who make your life better. We'll see you next time on Slightly Unsupervised.

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